The perfect neighborhood

What ten things are most important to you?

Teacher Dan wrote into ajarn.com with an interesting question and an idea for the website. His letter was as follows.


"For more than four years in total, I've lived and worked in Bangkok but always in the most central parts of the city. I've had apartments at Thong Lor, Langsuan, and Sathorn, and worked at Siam, Phrom Phong, Chit Lom and Rama IV. Now I am fortunate enough to be starting a new job (in research and journalism) that will allow me to work from home.

This has me wondering about great Bangkok neighborhoods that may be overlooked because they are outside of the usual expat zones, off the BTS, or otherwise under-appreciated.

If you, or anyone out there, did not have to commute to any office but did need to live in Bangkok (no suggestions for Phuket please) - where would you like to live? Anywhere that say rent would be cheap (or more bang for the baht), great food and entertainment nearby, and/or life still convenient despite the location?"


Thanks for writing in Dan. Perhaps some of our ajarn.com readers can come up with ideas for great Bangkok neighborhoods and the reasons why they enjoy living there? (please use the comments section below) In fact, I did a blog a while back about the various areas of the city I've personally lived in - some good and some not so good.

Your letter brought up another question I think - what would be the ten most important things to me when I'm looking for a neighborhood to live in? I'm not saying that I have all these ten factors present in the neighborhood I live in now - far from it - but we're talking about a perfect world here right?

OK, here are my top ten in no particular order but I'm aware that everyone's list will be different.

A good laundry / dry cleaners

If you're one of those hardy souls who gets busy with the marigolds and the ironing board every weekend, then I take my hat off to you - but it's not for me. And that's why a reliable laundry shop is always going to be near the top of my list.

When I first moved into my neighborhood, I used to use the laundry shop at my local Tesco Lotus; however, I got sick and tired of going to pick up my clothes and seeing ‘back in ten minutes' scribbled on a scrap of paper and taped to the glass door. Then an hour or so would pass without a single sign of life, with the laundry shop owner eventually putting in a guest appearance when she felt like it.

Reliability is crucial when selecting a laundry. The shop at Tesco Lotus closed down within a few months and is now a mobile phone outlet. No surprises there.

The laundry shop I go to now is a dream. It's always open and the clothes are always ready and hanging neatly on quality plastic hangers. And the two ladies who run the joint count every single item and enter it into a computer so you know exactly where you stand and when you need to pay them more money. And if they ruin a shirt - as sometimes happens - they pay the full purchase price, no questions asked.

A choice of supermarkets

I love cooking and eating but I hate supermarket food shopping. When I need to push a trolley around a supermarket, I want to know instantly where everything is and I want to be out of the place as quickly as possible. The weekend hours are far too precious to have to spend them traipsing up and down supermarket aisles.

I have four local supermarkets; Foodland, Tesco Lotus, Makro and Carrefour. The bulk of my shopping I do at Foodland. Yes, it's a little pricier than its competitors but I know where everything is displayed and I can pick up a week's groceries in less than half an hour.

As is often the case though, there are a few items I need that Foodland just doesn't have - so once every three weeks, I'll make the trip to Tesco and buy those things that only a supermarket giant tends to stock.

I never go to either Makro or Carrefour; I just find them far too big and chaotic. But it's nice to have a choice of supermarkets nearby because you can rarely get everything you need under one roof.

A fresh food market of some description

Although Foodland is my choice of supermarket, for some reason their fresh fruit prices are outrageous. I've long wanted the chance to confront the person responsible for the pricing of such items and ask him if he lives in the real world. Does he actually know what normal people pay for their apples and oranges?

So it's always nice to have a fresh market option in the neighborhood - somewhere just a few minutes walk away. Thai fresh markets are brilliant - not only for being cheap but also for letting you select small quantities of stuff and avoid having to chuck half of it in the bin at the end of the week because it's all gone rotten - as I often seem to do.

A fitness club / gym

I was bitten by the fitness bug a few years ago and now I'm a gym regular, either pounding out the miles on a treadmill or lifting dumb-bells under my trainer's watchful eye. I can't believe I'd ever be saying this but I just can't imagine life without those gym sessions.

My neighborhood doesn't have many plus points, but it does have a modern gym and spa complex with great staff and facilities - and all just five minutes walk away. If you go during the day when most people are at work, you'll virtually have the place to yourself.

I'm one of only half a dozen foreign members anyway so I'm something of a novelty. Quite a few of the ‘braver' Thai members like to chat with me and practice their English - so going to the gym has become something of a social occasion as much as a place to improve my fitness.

Close proximity to a BTS station

Before the Sukhumwit line was extended to Bearing Station in the east, it would take me at least an hour to get into Bangkok using a combination of taxi and sky-train from Onnud (which was then the end of the line) Now it's a 5-minute taxi ride to Bearing and I know that barring any major disruption or disaster, I can leave my home and be in downtown Bangkok within thirty minutes.

Oh boy has it made life so much easier. I don't venture into Bangkok that often but in the past, when someone arranged to meet me for lunch on Sukhumwit, it was like planning an expedition. Now I know I can leave home, enjoy a nice lunch with a friend, get back home - and only use up half a day at most.

Proximity to a sky-train station opens up the whole city and a whole new world for you.

A place to just sit and breathe

This is one thing my neighborhood totally lacks - a park or some sort of open space where one can just sit and watch the world go by. Whenever I'm in the Sukhumwit area around the Emporium Shopping Mall, I'm always envious of the folks who can make use of that lovely little park next door. And what about those lucky buggers who live in spitting distance of Lumpini Park? Wouldn't it be wonderful to just sit back under a shady tree, by the side of the lake, dip into your backpack for a good book - and imagine you haven't got a care in the world.

A shopping mall or two

I'm quite lucky in terms of shopping malls. I've got Paradise Park, Seacon Square, Central Bang Na and Megamall Bang Na, all just a 10-minute taxi ride away.

There's no getting away from the fact that walking around an air-conditioned shopping mall is one of Thailand's favourite pastimes so if you can't beat ‘em, you better get out there and join ‘em. And it's nice to have a choice of course.

A few decent Thai restaurants

Although there is usually a great choice of restaurants in shopping malls, you're not always in the mood to get a taxi or park your car and then half to negotiate half a dozen escalators to get to your favorite eateries. You don't always have the time.

This is when you need a good selection of simple, local Thai restaurants or food-shops where you can enjoy a duck and rice for 50 baht a head or perhaps something a little more up-market where even ordering drinks and a few dishes won't run a hungry couple in excess of 500 baht.

A computer repair shop

We've all been there haven't we? The trusty PC breaks down and you've now got to juggle your computer case in and out of a vehicle and then cart it up to your friendly computer repairman on the 6th floor of the nearest shopping mall.

Is there anything more awkward to carry than a desktop computer as it gets heavier with each energy-sapping step?

There aren't many street-side computer repair shops around but if you've found one and you've got a good relationship with the staff - and they do a fast and decent job with the repairs - it's going to take an awful lot of stress out of your life.

A good selection of street-food stalls

The famous Thai street-food is not quite the bargain it once was, but there are still those occasions when all you can be bothered to do is pick up a couple of plastic bags from your favourite footpath vendor and zap the contents in the microwave back home.

I didn't realize how important a decent selection of street-food sellers was until I moved to a neighborhood that didn't have any. 


Comments

Everytime, everyday I leave my apartment to go to the famlimart Im attacked by dogs. The owners stand and watch as they go for me. I have to carry a stick everywhere. Im terrified and the stress is really getting to me. Any place that doesnt have dogs like this would be good.

By Robert Sticker, Ao Udom Chonburi (2 years ago)

I lived in Bangkok (or close to it) for several years at the turn of the century and I sympathize with most of the points raised... but access to a laundry? Seriously? This is in the top ten?

Anyway - you take Bangkok for what it is, a massive, busy, noisy and crowded city. I can't think of anything that really bugged me as a something I missed out on when I was there. When you are new to Thailand or when you are young, you just accept where you are and what you have to do in order to survive.

The older I got and more fussy I was becoming about my standard of living, the more annoyed I became about Bangkok.

The single biggest factor for me in a place to live is the noise factor.

By Mark Newman, Thailand (2 years ago)

Richard, Carrefour has indeed left Thailand, but the physical stores are still there. The French hypermarket's Thailand operation was bought by Casino Group, who operates Big C, and the stores became various types of Big C's. So if there was once a Carrefour store somewhere, there is still a nearly equivalent store operating in that location.

By Dan, Bangkok (4 years ago)

I would just like to point out that (Suan Luang) Rama 9 Park is a two minutes drive from Paradise Park shopping mall. The park consists of it 81 hectares, as opposed to Lumpini Park's 58 hectares. Also, and don't think I'm trying to find fault, but haven't Carrefour gone from Thailand ?

By Richard, Bang Bon (4 years ago)

Hi Dan, I'm thinking of moving to Ari as well but you're right, it is expensive. However that is the only downside as there is a lot of choice and quite a few seemingly new apartments. Where I live now has maybe six or seven of the things mentioned in the article but the main problem is the lack of choice, the only supermarket within walking distance is a medium sized Villa Market. Ari has has everything mentioned above and it's probably 15 minutes to downtown.

By Sam, Bangkok (4 years ago)

Hi Phil, thanks for your note. Yes, it would be great to hear some suggestions--and this is all coming from an experienced Bangkok resident. I pride myself on knowing the city so well I end up telling shortcuts to taxi drivers, yet knowing firsthand the livability of various neighborhoods is another thing entirely. I especially hope that someone will suggest a cheap area somewhere way down the BTS or even off the line that is somehow still very convenient for day-to-day life... otherwise, convenient, pleasant, trendy, and increasingly expensive Ari it is.

By Dan, Bangkok (4 years ago)

I'm sorry that this blog hasn't got more of a response for you Dan because as you can clearly see - I loved the idea of sharing neighborhood tips.

People don't seem to be willing to share or make the effort to type in this kind of information anymore.

I haven't been in the Aree neighborhood for some time but I always liked it. You could probably do a hell of a lot worse.

By Phil, Bangkok (4 years ago)

Sam, as someone who has always lived within walking distance of the BTS, I would say you have to make this move as quickly as possible! The only exception would be if your current location is closer to your workplace.

This was my letter to Ajarn.com by the way, so I will also ask: Does anyone have neighborhood suggestions yet? I'm looking at Ari since it is a good combination of relatively quiet/residential while having a number of great restaurants and bars, plus it is on the BTS.

By Dan, Bangkok (4 years ago)

Thanks for the article, Phil. I'm currently trying to decide where to move myself, and it's nice to have an outside perspective of what I should look for.

I agree with you: proximity to the MRT or BTS is a must have for me. As it stands, it can take me an hour on a bus to go the roughly 5 kilometers from near Sripitum University where I stay and the Phohin Yothin MRT (spelling?). It kills me.

By Sam, Chatuchak, Bangkok (4 years ago)

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