Every new arrival wants to know if they can survive or live well in Thailand on X thousand baht a month?
It's a difficult question because each person has different needs. However, the following surveys and figures are from teachers actually working here! How much do they earn and what do they spend their money on?. And after each case study, I've added comments of my own.
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TJ
Working in Bangkok
Monthly Earnings 60-65K
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
I make 52K from my basic salary working in a nice private school in Ladpro and up to 7K for after school classes plus approximately 5,600 baht a month with a private adult student once per week for two hours.
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
Realistically 10K a month. I've only just started earning this amount. If there are no cancellations from private work or the after school work, then maybe 15K. Unfortunately the after school work and private work isn't consistent and doesn't run all year round.
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
I pay 6K a month for a two-bedroom apartment in an older apartment building. It's a steal for 52 square metres and only a 5-10 minute walk from the BTS. It's one of those places that can only be found through word of mouth and if you don't mind it being a bit dated and not having amenities that you would find in a more modern condo, then it's a great deal.
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
I walk the five minutes to work so only maybe the BTS and taxis on the weekend. I would say 500 to 1000 baht maximum.
Utility bills
Water and electricity normally sets me back 1200 to 1500 baht a month.
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
Food is expensive here. A fortnightly shop for my girlfriend and I will set me back around 2K. I get free lunch at school but I do eat out in restaurants a few times a week with my girlfriend. So in total I would say 8K a month or maybe 10k at a push.
Nightlife and drinking
Once or twice a week. Probably 10-15K a month for two people.
Books, computers
I have a second hand Dell that works great that I got for 5K and I only buy second hand books when needed.
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living in one sentence?
It's a reasonable life. I go out a fair bit and can afford to treat myself and my girlfriend from time to time. I go to a nice gym and live in a spacious condo. By the way, my girlfriend works five days a week in a salon but only has a typical thai wage. She shares the bills sometimes when we go out and uses the rest for things she needs. I've heard of Thais making loads of money selling stuff online but in my opinion it's pretty hit or miss.
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
Rent and hotels.
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
I would say 40K for a single person in Bangkok, 60K for a couple and 80-100K for a family.
Phil's analysis and comment
TJ's survey brings up a very important point that I've made before but haven't mentioned for a while. Never consider private students as part of your monthly income when you are doing any financial planning or budgeting. It's your regulary salary that counts; the income from private students is only ever the icing on the cake, and icing that isn't always there. December is a prime example of a month when many students cancel to go travelling or attend functions, etc, and by and large a teacher is just left with their basic salary.
Cody
Working in Lampang
Monthly Earnings Approx 110K (35K from teaching)
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
I earn 35K teaching at a local government school. It's a basic type full-time job, only teaching about 15 hours per week at a very laid back school.
I also earn approximately 75K per month doing contract work remotely as a software developer. That figure could be more if I wanted to put more time into it.
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
About 50-60K per month, after paying for all expenses including full healthcare and retirement annuities.
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
I live in a small house with a spacious back garden and that costs 9,000 baht per month.
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
I have a scooter and a car and spend about 500-1,000 baht per month on petrol depending on how much I use the car.
Utility bills
Electricity, internet, water and all the other smaller things like laundromat amount to probably 2,500 per month
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
This can vary from month to month, but anywhere from 4,000 to 15,000 depending how active/adventurous I am during a given month if that makes sense.
Nightlife and drinking
Some months almost nothing, other months quite a bit more. I'd say on average around 2,000.
Books, computers
Mostly my 800 baht internet bill covers all that, like playing the odd computer game or reading an e-book.
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living?
Okay so here comes a long answer, and I'm gonna go off on a big tangent here but bear with me!
8 years ago, I had my first teaching job in Thailand at a standard government school earning a modest 35K salary and mostly loving it, except I soon started realizing I would never be able to save enough to properly set myself up for the future, such as having savings for long distance travel, savings for retirement, full cover health insurance or buying bigger things like a car or perhaps even property some day.
Another thing that really irked me was, though I'm a South African who comes from an English-speaking household and went to English schools, higher-paying positions wouldn't always include my nationality as 'native English speaking'. So I did something kind of crazy and went to work on a farm in Ireland. I was lucky to get in contact with a farm who went through the trouble of getting me a work permit. I stuck it out for five years and got Irish citizenship. Now I am seen as 'native English speaker' in Thailand lol! Also, during those 5 years I did night classes in software development. This qualification now allows me to work remotely in a higher paying profession.
Coming back to Thailand, my first intention was to get that lucrative private school gig with my new 'native-English speaking' passport (coupled with my prior teaching experience). But with my new coding skills, I decided to go the familiar and comfortable route of teaching at an easy-going government school, more so for the love of it, and then use all my 'free/non-teaching time' during the day to do my software development / contract-work.
Now my standard of living is great. I came back to Thailand with $25K and kitted my house out with everything I needed to make life comfortable, like a year's rent up front, a car, a bike, etc. I teach more for the love and social aspect of it. My coding job covers all the bigger expenses I couldn't otherwise afford.
I've been wanting to share this little journey of mine for a while so thanks for sticking it out and reading up to this point!
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
Literally everything. Europe is crazy expensive compared to SE Asia. Rent, food, transport, the lot. I am now doing what I hear some people call 'geo-arbitraging', i.e bringing money I earn in Europe via my coding job into Thailand. Now almost everything is a bargain :)
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
My first stint in Thailand got me 35K per month. I quickly found out that wasn't good enough and I needed to hatch another plan asap. I went through very obscure ways to end up where I am and making my 100k+ per month, but now I can finally say I hit the sweet spot. I could honsetly live in Thailand on 50K a month but I knew 100K was the goal I needed to set for myself.
Phil's analysis and comment
Thanks Cody. What a great life story! We don't get that many teachers doing these surveys who have come up with a completely different sideline to teaching that actually ends up earning them more than their teaching gig...but you've managed it. Well done! Not really much I can add other than to say thank you for sharing your journey with us.
Richard
Working in Bangkok
Monthly Earnings 142,823
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
This is my salary from a mid-tier international school.
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
60-80K per month depending on large purchases (phone, holidays etc)
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
I live in a high-floor modern condo and got a good deal during the pandemic but the landlord based in HK keeps trying to nudge it up. Rent is 37,000 baht a month but the school gives me a 27k allowance.
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
I rent a car for 8K a month and another 4K goes on gas. Before I had a car I was paying 8-10K on taxis just for commuting.
Utility bills
Internet 550
Electricity 3,000
Water 250
Maid 4,500
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
This varies significantly. A rough estimate would probably be around 16K a month. Eating out again just depends on the frequency and where I go, I would say roughly 6K for that.
Nightlife and drinking
I prefer the Thai style places and generally drink Singha so not usually too expensive. I could save money by drinking Leo but it's minging and dont get me started on Chang! Roughly 6.000 a month on average maybe
Books, computers
My school provides anything I need for the job so this is just my own items. So the usual big purchases every three years or so. Phones here are not cheap but TVs seem to be.
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living in one sentence?
Outstanding. I don't know why (or how) anyone could go back to Europe / US after being here from a financial point of view. If you are hired by one of the good Tier 1/2 international schools, then it's very lucrative. Even more so if you have a partner and they work in the same standard of school too.
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
Alcohol, taxis, some foodstuffs, domestic flights (but not flights to Koh Samui)
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
I guess you cut your cloth accordingly depending on your salary but I do see lots of TEFL/TESOL jobs that pay 25-35K and I think that would be a struggle, certainly not enjoyable but survivable. 50K plus would be the tipping point for living reasonably well and 100K plus for living very comfortable with savings potential. Bangkok is a great place for the low cost of living
Phil's analysis and comment
Reading between the lines Richard, it sounds like your partner might well bring in the same sort of salary. A couple are certainly going to live well in Thailand with a joint income in excess of 250K. That's a nice benefit with the housing allowance as well. You must be living in a heck of a nice place for 37K a month!
Bren
Working in Chiang Mai
Monthly Earnings 62,000
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
I receive 62,000 baht after tax, social security and a provident fund payment. I teach in a tier 2 international school in Chiang Mai.
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
At the moment, I am saving between 25-30,000 baht each month.
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
I pay 10,000 baht per month for a 2-bedroom house on the outskirts of Chiang Mai. It is a new house with modern furniture, private security on the development as well as a swimming pool and small gym. You get a lot more for your money when it comes to housing in Chiang Mai.
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
I spend around 1,200 baht on fuel for my car and maybe another 300 baht on grab bike, so 1,500 in total.
Utility bills
My electricity bill is around 800 baht per month and my water bill is around 70 baht per month. I also pay 1,100 baht for home wi-fi, true football and 10gb of data for my phone. In my opinion, utility bills are a real bargain in Thailand, particularly if you don't overuse air-con.
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
I receive breakfast and lunch at my school so that amounts to a good saving on food every month. I spend around 6,000 baht a month on food. That is a combination of eating local food and eating western food around three times a week. The local food here is very cheap, and it tastes great. For example, a bowl of khao soi is about 60b in most places outside the old town. As for western food, it's cheaper than Bangkok but the quality isn't as good, hence why I don't eat it so often.
Nightlife and drinking
The nightlife in Chiang Mai is appalling compared to Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket. In fact, it's pretty poor compared to places like Khon Kaen or Udon Thani. This is a conservative city, and bars located next to temples often shut at midnight. There are a few nightclubs that cater mostly to the Thai market, as well as a couple of nightclubs aimed at foreigners and freelancers. However, they are terribly overcrowded and play dreadful music. A beer outside the old town will cost around 100b for large local beer, and 80b for a small local beer. If you go to Loi Kroh road or Nimman then expect to pay 100b for small local beer, or around 150b for a large beer. So, having said all that, I spend around 8,000b every month on nightlife.
Books, computers
Nothing at the moment, but it looks like my laptop is going to give up the ghost!
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living in one sentence?
I live a very comfortable standard of living. I live in a nice house in a safe area. I eat out almost every night, and I'm not watching my pennies on a night out. I have everything I need and I can save a decent portion of my income. I am far better off here in Chiang Mai than I would be in the UK. In fact, to have the standard of living that I have now, I reckon I would need to be earning 3,000 pounds a month in the UK.
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
Accommodation - both hotels and housing.
Local food - generally very cheap and very good.
Utility bills - electric costs next to nothing compared to the west, and wifi deals are very affordable.
Massages - 300b for a 1hr massage.
Mechanics - very affordable to get your car fixed.
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
Minimum 30k outside Bangkok/Phuker and 40k inside Bangkok/Phuket.
To have a comfortable lifestyle, then I think you need 50k outside Bangkok / Phuket and 60k inside Bangkok/Phuket. Even then you won't be living a flash lifestyle.
I think 100k is a good and realistic figure to work towards.
Phil's analysis and comment
Many thanks Bren, you put a lot of effort into that and it's much appreciated! There's long been a popular debate about whether Chiang Mai is cheaper to live in than Bangkok (I'm never really sure where I sit on the argument) but you seem to have cracked it! First off, 62K is a very decent salary up there so you're off to a flying start - and it sounds like you manage to live well on half of that. The breakfast and lunch at school is a nice benefit as well isn't it?
Adam
Working in Trat Province
Monthly Earnings 50,000
Q1. How is that income broken down? (full-time salary, private students, on-line teaching, extra work, etc)
I work at a largish college in Trat Province (about 4-5 hours from Bangkok) and I've been here for four years. I started as a teacher on around 28K a month but have risen to almost a part-time teacher / part-time academic director position now and get 50K.
Q2. How much money can you save each month?
In what I call a 'normal month', where I don't have a major expense or do any travelling, I can live on 15,000 quite comfortably. so save around 35K. I would say most months it averages out closer to 25K though. I think if you said I saved about 250,000 baht a year, you wouldn't be far off.
Q3. How much do you pay for your accommodation and what do you live in exactly (house, apartment, condo)?
I rent a one-bedroom flat above a shop that belongs to one of my Thai colleague's relatives. I've been paying 5,000 baht a month for it since I moved in four years ago. The people that own the business downstairs are almost like family now (I've even tutored a couple of their children) and while 5,000 baht a month is a steal for the space I have, I feel they wouldn't dream of increasing the rent while I'm the tenant. It's a nice situation to be in.
Q4. What do you spend a month on the following things?
Transportation
I have my own little motorcycle and work is about a 10-minute commute. I more or less use the bike to go everywhere so this expense is just a few hundred baht a month for gas. Having your own motorcycle out in the provinces can save you a small fortune. I wouldn't be without one!
Utility bills
The family I rent the property from take care of the bills and I haven't a clue how much they are. I bet it's not more than a thousand baht a month. I do have air-conditioning in two rooms but try to use it sparingly.
Food - both restaurants and supermarket shopping
This is probably around 8,000 baht a month. I get free lunches at school and for other meals I have about three or four local restaurants where I can eat for 50 baht a dish. Western treats like fast food are few and far between. Firstly, we don't have the choice and secondly, I don't miss that kind of food anyway.
I try to do more and more of my shopping at the local night market as opposed to supermarkets. The cost of supermarket goods has gotten silly in recent years.
Nightlife and drinking
LOL There isn't really anywhere to go past ten 'o' clock at night. Any drinking I do tends to be a couple of swift ones after work with a couple of other foreign teachers and that's twice a week at most. Going out until the wee small hours and getting plastered has never appealed to me. I don't drink at home either. Let's say a couple of thousand baht a month.
Books, computers
I do like my computer games and this is one of my biggest expenses. Maybe about 3-4,000 baht a month. I also have the usual Netflix and Disney packages and that adds a few hundred on to the entertainment bill.
Q5. How would you summarize your standard of living in one sentence?
To use that famous line, people reading this will think that I 'live like a Thai' but I just don't see it that way. I live life the way I want to and if that means no Western food or heavy drinking sessions, then so be it. I live quietly and I love my own company.
Q6. What do you consider to be a real 'bargain' here?
Having recently returned to my home country for a holiday and seen the price of everything there, I'd say almost everything is a bargain in Thailand. Yes, food prices have risen sharply in Thailand in the past 12-18 months but not to the degree where you have to budget carefully...not down here where I am.
Q7. In your opinion, how much money does anyone need to earn here in order to survive?
It depends on your personality. A person like me could live relatively comfortably downn here on 20-25K. With a salary of 50,000, I want for nothing. It's more than enough to live well. I won't tell that to my boss though.
Phil's analysis and comment
Thanks Adam. That's a nice part of Thailand you live in and having been myself a few times, I totally get the lifestyle you lead. There's a big difference between 'living like a Thai' because you have to and living like a Thai because that's how you rather like things. What it often means is that you just prefer a quieter lifestyle and you're happy in your own company. Nothing wrong with that. With free school meals and a great deal on a rental apartment, you're playing the game well.
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