Richard Constable

Thai language communication issues

Where is it insulting to be spoken to in your own language?


Seriously, if you really want to rattle a Thai person in Bangkok, then speak to them in their own language. Truly, there are few things that irritate them more than a foreigner who can speak Thai clearly and is, or appears to be fluent. It is akin to waving a red flag at a bull.

To illustrate, I am referring to the kind of Bangkokian that stands beside you and repeats everything you say to a third person, that is in Thai whilst you have just said the exact same, in Thai!  Could there be anything more nonsensical than this! Well, perhaps another ubiquitous situation where a foreigner speaks in Thai to a Thai person, while they insist on speaking in English, however broken or incompletely.

Insanity

Let's have a quick think about that one. Two people conversing in two languages in one conversation, not only but also each speaking the other's first language. Mmm, does this form of insanity happen outside of Thailand I have often wondered to myself?

The third most regular scenario, is when a Thai person who can hardly speak a word of English, has no other option in order to retaliate than to pretend that he/she doesn't understand what you're saying even though they have full comprehension. Occasionally, he/she having stood for a period of time with a confused look upon his/her face, will then run off and return with someone else, often a person with similar linguistic limitations. And next you are subjected to 'What!' or 'Yoouu!'  instead of alternatively 'kortort thi tae phud thiy di him thi' or (Excuse me, but can you speak Thai?)

More significantly is the actual reality that in the 39 years that I lived in the UK or/and  travelled to other countries, I never tried any of the above tactics to piss foreigners off. In other words, I never stooped to any of these to save my face, just because I wasn't proficient in the first language of the person who was speaking to me in my mother tongue.

In all the years I've been here, I've never had a single Bangkok native who has asked me sincerely, if I can speak Thai. Whereas, I do get it now and again in the rhetorical, for instance having just replied that I can in fact speak Thai. Then the questioner will not react in the slightest, apart from by entirely ignoring my answer.

Enough!

Another is when somebody asks to hear me speak Thai and then swiftly holds up their hand and spouts 'Enough!' Or adversely, having given it some thought, the enquirer will go into one of the longest Thai sentence structures I have ever heard, whilst mumbling thirteen-to-the-dozen. And when of course I shake my head and tell them that I didn't understand, they shout something along the lines of, 'Ahh!' scowl, and point their finger at me to convey that they have proven me a liar.

A word of advice. Don't look flustered or frustrated because they thrive on that, it is all the encouragement they need to continue on their theme and raise your blood pressure through the roof! Just relax, smile, ask them if they can speak Bangkok Thai, or is it that they are in fact from the Northeast of Thailand. Being mistaken for a native of Issarn (my good wife's area) sometimes nudges a Bangkok native to speak colloquial Thai. As they feel they are superior to their rural cousins and feel the need to prove themselves of different stock.

Communicating in other regions

Yet, why do I seek to tarnish the Bangkokians and not those Thai people of other regions. It is because they have not rallied to drive me up the wall and down the other side. At least, when I have gotten away from the provinces that surround Bangkok, higher upcountry or deeper down south. 

For example, when I have spoken to Northeastern Thais in Ubon Ratchathani, and have used the incorrect quantifier as Issarn or Loatian can be distinctively different from Bangkok Thai. Far from behaving ignorantly, they have generally explained what it is, that I should have said in order to be correct. In plain English, I have always assumed that this is so I should know the next time, and that they are proud of their distinctions.

Further example, when I used to speak to Southern Thais in Hua Hin, on a regular basis in their own language. Their reaction was usually to smile or even laugh in bemusement, to hear a foreigner speaking Thai. As well, they would sometimes wave over a friend of theirs from another shop or market stall, to allow them to listen to the novelty.

My guess is that far fewer expats per capita can speak Thai there, as Hua Hin is partly a retirement town for foreigners, and older Westerners find tonal languages too difficult or cannot be bothered. And obviously down to the reason that the Thais there are geared up to cater for foreigners, therefore there isn't the need to learn Thai. The locals there are able to speak other languages.

Most importantly, being spoken to in your own language, probably is not all that offensive, if at all, when you are confident in your own ability at speaking another person's language.




Comments

Nicole,

I have not written of examples of when I wasn't able to make myself clear or my pronunciation was weak, in fact quite the opposite. That is, when my spoken Thai was understood perfectly well, but then ignored or belittled. (By people I come across on a daily basis but that I have no relationship with.)

Perhaps I should have mentioned that I have been speaking Thai since I first arrived here, almost 19 years ago.

Although, you are right about personal experiences. I mean that, I have a colleague who is a handsome young Russian with an athletic build that is generally helped with his Thai.

I am 57 and overweight and by no means fluent, however I don't go out of my ball park, therefore don't require help. And no surprise, my experience is totally diffrent to Misha's.

Moreover, like a Thai friend once told me, 'Thai people usually think with their eyes, and only occasionally with their hearts.

By Richard Constable, Bang Na (8th February 2021)

I have had the complete opposite experience. When I speak Thai in general society, or with co-workers, they are very appreciative that I am speaking Thai. Of course, I make many mistakes, but there is never any negative response to this. In fact, I sometimes ask 'did I say that right?' As othetwise I will not be corrected. When someone speaks to me inThai (my listening skills are not strong) if I ask them to alow down, they do. So, maybe this is just a personal experience, but I think is not common.

By Nicole, Chonburi (8th February 2021)

JB,

My wife who is Thai is a fluent speaker of English and thoroughly resents foreigners speaking to her in Thai, and least of all condescending types who assume she cannot speak English.

Congratulations on having found some Thai friends, however no where in this blog did I mention having struggled to talk to Thai friends.

That is I was prompted to write this blog having read of Bangkok Phil's similiar experiences with an occasional acqaintance and also with an air steward. These comments were made on ajarn twitter and were then echoed by many expats who had been in likewise situations.

My blog isn't about whining, but hard facts. And if you haven't the stomach for the truth, then you shouldn't be reading it.

By Richard Constable, Bang Na (31st January 2021)

This is a vast generalization but I do agree with you somewhat. A lot of Thais will talk to you really fast, using obscure คำศัพท์ just to appear superior to you and make themselves feel good. Silly farang!

By CHangNaam, Alaska (28th January 2021)

What utter nonsense have I just read? I think you might need to hit the Thai language books again mate. Stop trying to spin the myth that Thais don't want foreigners to speak their language. Your wife might understand "your" version of Thai but it takes a lot of commitment and attention to the subtleties of the language before strangers are going to take you seriously.

I've called Bangkok home for almost 20 years and have many "Bangkokian" friends who only converse with me in Thai. That being said, the first few years of Thai language learning I do remember Thais finding it extremely difficult to decipher my Thai (which at the time I thought was just fine!).

Instead of whining on Ajarn.com, I advise you to spend the time practicing your pronunciation.

By Jb, Bangkok (24th January 2021)

This rant is silly. I have never found a single Thai being offended by myself or any other foreigner speaking Thai. Maybe some get frustrated by a foreigner who thinks he can speak Thai but really cannot, ok, but not offended.

My Thai is not perfect, upper intermediate/lower advanced level I suspect, but unless Western educated, most Thais I know prefer to speak Thai with me than English.

I don't understand the need to make absurd, stereotypical, and incredibly simplistic statements about “Thais.”

Thais are like Brits, Germans, Chinese, Nigerians, and every national group in that Thais consist of people with a wide range of personalities and behaviors. But from my perspective, in my many years in the country, my encounters with Thais have been more often positive than negative. I am not sure what is the root of Richard’s problem, but it probably is more closely related to Richard than the more than 70 million people with Thai citizenship.

I don’t think blaming the people of an entire nation for one’s problems is a healthy approach to working abroad.

By Jack, LOS (6th January 2021)

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