Are you a teacher who once taught in Thailand but decided to seek out pastures new? Has the grass been greener on the other side? Maybe you swapped Thailand for the financial lure of Japan or Korea? Read about those who have left Thailand, and their reasons for moving...
Dan
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
I've been working in the cities on China's east coast since August 2012.
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
Two years
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
Various reasons.
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
Obviously the pay. I get the equivalent of 72,000 baht per month plus a free flat and free lunches. There is so much work available all over China.
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
I miss the awesome beaches. Plus it's easier to get around on your own with a motorbike. Thailand has better food. And it's more adjusted to the Western style of life in the expat meccas there.
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
Depends. If you are a legitimate degree holder, then I would advise working in China, and use South East Asian countries as your places to visit during the holidays - much like Americans and Canadians use Mexico and the Caribbean to stretch the dollar for decent holidays.
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
Absolutely! Its possible I may purchase a simple condo and live there from time to time. But I do worry about any future visa rule changes and how they will affect foreigners.
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
Many Chinese women are very devoted to their family and will pick their decisions over yours (most of the time). Also the "bride price" for a wife is still in effect here, which can be quite costly. Lastly, even though China has developed phenomenally in recent years, with an ever growing middle-class, their mentality is still stuck in their old ways. Be prepared for toddlers crapping anywhere in public (even on buses!), constant staring (due to curiosity, and especially if you are black), and spitting (even in public pools, nasty!).
Kenneth
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
I moved back to my home in the industrial north of England at the beginning of the year (2013)
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
I worked at two different secondary schools for a total period of about three years.
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
I came here as a gap year student originally and only intended to stay for one or two years at the most. I loved the school I was working at and they persuaded me to stay on for another year. It was never my intention to work for a third year in Thailand but I did it mainly to help the school out.
I suppose my main reason for returning though is simply that I didn't see a long-term future as a teacher in Thailand. I didn't want to become one of those burnt-out expats who have been here donkey's years and forgotten the reasons why. I worked with far too many of those folks. Perhaps I felt the 'real world' calling me back.
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
I seriously can't think of any other than perhaps being closer to my family. I returned to England thinking it would be easy to find work but I was unemployed for several months before I landed a fairly mundane job at a marketing company. I'm sad to say that I have now slipped back into that rather dull and grey existence that so many people have in this country. Go to work, come home, watch TV - repeat the next day and the day after that.
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
There probably isn't enough room on this page to write everything down. I felt alive when I lived in Thailand. It's something of an old cliche but every day was an adventure. I miss the weekends travelling to some island. I miss feeling peckish at ten o clock at night and walking to the end of the soi to have some 'khao man gai'. It's definitely the little things that you miss most. When I'm sitting watching TV at night and my mind wanders back to Thailand, even the things that annoyed me now seem so trivial.
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
I think Thailand would be very difficult to beat for someone looking to teach English for a year or two. OK, the salaries aren't that great but it has so many other things going for it.
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
I will certainly come back for a holiday. If I had enough spare cash around me, I would probably come back at least once a year. I won't be returning there to work though. I have no desire to be an English teacher again - in any country!
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
If you are thinking of a teaching career in Thailand, then go with a very open mind and a go-with-the-flow attitude. If you're the kind of person who likes everything to run smoothly and be either black or white, you will hate every minute of your time in Thailand - and I saw many new arrivals get completely overwhelmed by the lack of organisation, not only in schools but in almost every facet of Thai life. The country is 'organised chaos' and I happen to think the Thais like it that way. You're certainly not going to change it.
James
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
Northern China, the end of 2011.
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
Two schools. One government school and one private school for a total of two years.
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
The corruption, overworked, underpaid. The thought of going back to teaching the maximum 24 hours, across four grades in three different subjects, plus extra activities, compulsory summer camps still makes me shudder!
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
Shorter hours, near double the pay, all utilities including accommodation free, plus air flights, plus holidays where the word ‘holiday’ actually means free time. The chance to actually teach and not just entertain.
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
I don’t. I still regard it as my home and with three months paid holidays a year I’m able to return twice a year and actually enjoy the time I spend there with my wife.
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
Get the experience in Thailand and then move on. Many people work in the west for six months and then live in Thailand for six. It’s quite possible to do that in Asia also.
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
Thailand is both my twice annual holiday choice and my retirement destination.
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
Some countries have good living amenities and some are ideal for work, but rarely do you find both in one place. I think the secret is to find a place to earn a decent amount of money and a place to settle. As much as I enjoy living in Thailand, given the burned out offerings on show in many of the schools, the overwork, the low salaries and the continual stress, it’s a teacher’s graveyard.
Thailand will suck you in and burn you out in record time, with legions of unwary backpackers ready to take your place at a moments notice. Long term, it’s best left to those who believe the dream package utopia hype.
Sally
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
Auckland, New Zealand, July 2012
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
I was in Thailand for a total of two months
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
I was overwhelmed I think by the culture shock and not ready for it as I was also dealing with a bereavement at the time. It was too much for me to take on.
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
I've had a 10-month job with a council organisation, my contract kept getting extended, my wage is weekly and double that in Thailand. I know what I'm going to get every day and I get to experience lots of different cultures in one office. I'm also treated as a team member rather than an outsider
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
Some of my friends who are still there, they were the true treasures that I found in Thailand and I do miss some of my students who made my time there worthwhile
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
I wouldn't say not to work in Thailand, everyone's different, some people I met have loved it, others not so much. Give it a go and see what happens. Just be wary of teacher agencies
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
Maybe one day in the future, I'd like to see Chiang Mai and some of the more obscure places - but I'm not in a hurry to go back.
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
If you don't like where you are in Thailand, it's not the end of the world. It doesn't make you a bad person. It just means it's not right for you. I gave myself a hard time over leaving Thailand and eventually made my peace with it. I'm also blogging about my Thailand experiences at http://www.wanderfearless.com
Sam
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
I worked in Korea for three months over the summer of 2012, as a test prep instructor, and am now in a second-tier city not far from Shanghai in China. I came here one month ago.
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
6 months, from November 2011 to May 2012.
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
I wanted to work with students planning on studying in the US or Europe, and there are far more schools catering to these students in China and Korea.
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
(1) Pay is about 65,000 baht per month, and a nice apartment is included.
(2) Students have a different kind of motivation - most of them are enthusiastic about preparing for overseas study - which I am able to cater to.
(3) I find the expats here a bit more like "normal" people from back home, easier to befriend and so forth.
(4) I have also found it easier to make local friends who have connections with western countries, such as having studied in the west or planning to move there. It is easier to make good friends with people who are familiar with both the eastern and western mindsets.
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
(1) Life in semi-rural Thailand is, as you'd expect, definitely more easy-going than life in a Chinese metropolis.
(2) The sense that, in Thailand, everything is provided for, and there is nothing to stress about. There's always good food, always work available, etc. I think of the country as "the temple" since it seems like it's very focused in the present moment, rather in the past or future.
The Chinese, in contrast, have developed a more hardcore and driven mindset as a result of the various famines, invasions, etc., they've experienced over the past century.
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
You can get a good taste of the Asian educational system in either country. China and Korea both have substantial numbers of students that are planning to study in the west for university, and jobs working with these students can be rewarding both emotionally and financially. You won't find as many students planning to do this in Thailand, but the students there also can be rewarding to work with.
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
Yes, I have friends I want to see in Isaan, North Thailand, Bangkok, and South Thailand.
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
Be prepared to accept the fact that the Thais (and the Chinese, and the Koreans, and presumably all Asians) have a good idea about how their country - and its education system - should be run. Just focus on helping individual students out, and you'll have a much nicer time.
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