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Ask Tony
Ajarn Com's Resident Health
Insurance Expert
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Personal Message From
Tony Dabbs
My name is Tony Dabbs and I'm the creator of E-Insurethailand.com.
My wife, Kanokwan, is a licensed life and health agent
in Thailand, and I was a licensed life and health agent
for many years in the States. I have lived in Thailand
for 20 years.
I created E-insurethailand because from some of my own
personal experiences I felt that there was a real need
among ex-pats for the kind of services we provide.
Everything you need know about the insurance plans we
sell is readily available, including terms and
conditions. We don't try to sell you, we try to help
you. Our service continues beyond the sale. We
represent all of the health insurance companies in
Thailand.
We use the latest technology to provide personal service
not available to the average ex-pat anywhere in
Thailand. We assist our clients in dealing with the
insurance company and in dealing with the hospital. I
have prepared an FAQ section below to answer the most
common questions I get asked.
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I've been warned that the
major Thai insurance companies often stall and dispute payments to
farangs. Is this true? |
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No, it isn't.
Disputes and delays do occur at times, but they have nothing to do with
whether you are a “farang” or not. They have to do with what I call “Red
Flag” (questionable) claims.” These delays are normally caused because
the insurer is seeking additional information from outside sources that
either supports approving the claim or rejecting it. Examples: A. One
of our travel insurance clients flew into Bangkok, got off the plane and
then had a heart attack. The policy had been in force only 3 days and
the insured was under medication for Hypertension. (Ding, ding, ding!
Red Flag!!) I was involved with assisting our client with this claim
every step of the way (with full cooperation from the insurance
company). The claim was finally paid in full. But still, it took nearly
5 months to get it paid. That’s because 1) There were many “Red Flags”.
2) The hospital made a mistake in its report to the insurer. 3) His
doctor in Canada sent the wrong supporting information. And 4) Even the
client, himself, made a number of mistakes in sending us the necessary
supporting documents.
B. We currently,
have a Thai client who has been waiting an exceptionally long time. The
client spent 2 days in the hospital for treatment that is normally done
as outpatient (OPD). (Red Flag!!) The insurer is inclined to reject the
claim. But, if the hospital can justify the hospital stay, the insurer
will pay it. This delay is being caused by the hospital’s slow reply,
not the insurer.
C. We have another
client who is insured by both SSI and one of our insurers. Part of his
treatment is not covered by SSI (100,000 baht) because its nature, so he
submitted a claim for that part through us. In order to act on the
claim, though, the insurer needs to obtain the client’s records from the
government hospital that treated him. The government hospital has been
extremely slow in responding. We are still waiting.
Most claims are
easily settled directly with the member hospitals – but, even then, a
“Red Flag” claim can be rejected for direct payment. In that case, the
insurer will ask you to pay the hospital yourself and submit the claim
to them for payment. This way the insurer can have more time to
carefully evaluate it.
If you are our
client and are having a problem getting a claim settled, we will assist
you in speeding up the process, just as we have done with many of our
other clients.
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In a bit of a quandary as
I was planning to start a Health Insurance policy. Whilst not disputing
Tony's credentials, I would be keen to be made aware of other companies.
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I hate to leave anyone "in
a bit of a quandary", so I'll try to help you out a bit:
The Thai government has all insurance companies in Thailand separated
into two separate categories for regulation, "Life Insurance" and
"General Insurance". Life insurance, of course, falls under "Life
Insurance" for regulation, while all other insurance companies
authorized to sell in Thailand are regulated as "General Insurance".
There are about 25 legally authorized life insurance companies operating
in Thailand. Most of them also offer health insurance, but it must be
purchased as a rider (attachment) to a life insurance policy. Also,
expats need to have a Work Permit to buy it (an "O" visa might be okay).
The best known life insurance company is AIA..
There are about 7 companies in Thailand that sell only health insurance.
They come under the "General Insurance" category. Expats can purchase
health insurance through them without having to show a Work Permit or
having to buy life insurance. The names of these companies are
AXA, BUPA, LMG,
MSIG, NZI-IAG, PIH and Thai Health Insurance (THI).).
There are also many health
insurance companies outside of Thailand that cater to expats around the
world. They tend to be more expensive though
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I hear some people
talking about “5 Star” hospitals here in Thailand, how are they rated? |
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Although there are a wide
variety of ratings and recommendations a hospital can receive from
various sources, there is no industry standard for rating hospitals in
Thailand. Those hospitals most often considered to be “5 Star” are the
ones that meet or exceed international standards and have been the most
successful in attracting patients from around the world.
The Samitivej Hospital, Bumrungrad Hospital, Bangkok Nursing Home
Hospital (BNH) and Bangkok General Hospital (BGH) are the ones most
often considered to be in the “5 Star” category. BGH also has satellite
hospitals in the popular tourist areas throughout Thailand. I’m sure
that there are a few other hospitals worthy of being in this category
also, but these are the ones mentioned the most often.
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How much do they charge per day to stay in a private room?
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Their current lowest private room rates are: Samitivej – 6,900 Baht,
Bumrungrad - 6,005 Baht, BNH – 7,400 Baht and Bangkok
General (BGH) – 6,300 Baht. (BGH’s heart care hospital charges 5,900
per day). Keep in mind that these are the high end hospitals. Most
private hospitals in Thailand are also striving hard to meet
international standards and they charge much less. For example, St.
Louis Hospital charges about 2, 300 baht a day. The Phyathai group of
hospitals charge about 3,700 baht a day. These are all considered to
offer high quality hospital care and have English speaking staff.
Note: These prices are subject to change.
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Which hospital do you recommend? |
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I
lean towards recommending Bumrungrad Hospital. Bumrungrad is the
hospital I see recommended most often when I read about medical-tourism
in Thailand. The American TV news program “60 Minutes” even did a
segment on the quality of care they provide.
Beyond the high
quality of their medical care, though, which I’m sure they all provide, I’m also impressed by their reasonably low room
rates. They offer the choice of a four bed room (2,530 baht per day), a
two bed room (3,330 baht per day) a private room (6,005 baht per day), a
bigger room, better view, micro wave oven and VCR (7,510 baht per day).
Frankly, I’m not too proud to sleep in a four bed room, if I have to, in
order to receive the quality of care Bumrungrad provides. The truth is,
though, if I ever do have to go the hospital, I still plan to use my
local hospital, Mongkutwattana (1,900 baht per day). But if I see the
doctors and nurses whispering a lot around me and avoiding eye contact with me,
I'll be quickly in a taxi and on my way to Bumrungrad – if I can just learn
to pronounce it.
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What happens if the Daily Room and Board coverage provided by my health
policy isn't enough to cover the cost of the hospital room, will I still
be admitted without any hassle? |
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Yes, you will! But, of course, you will have to settle with the hospital
for the difference at the time of discharge. Both Bumrungard Hospital
and Bangkok General Hospital (BGH) verified this process for us. This is
one of the advantages of purchasing medical insurance through a locally
based insurance company that has a large selection of participating
hospitals. You just show the hospital your card and you get admitted
without any delay. That is, as long as you have a doctor certified need
to be admitted.
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Other than helping me to pay for a better room, is there any other
advantage to purchasing a health plan with high room and board coverage? |
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The room and board rate that you choose determines the premium charge
and defines the overall level of your coverage. Each plan has built in
limits for each area of coverage, for example, surgery or outpatient
accident care. Increasing the daily R & B benefit increases those limits
as well.
Tony's Tip
When purchasing health insurance for a Thai who was born and raised
in Thailand, there is a good possibility that he or she may require a
lower Daily Room and Board benefit than you require. For example, if you
require 4,000 baht a day Room and Board, your Thai partner may only
require 2,000 baht Room and Board. Hospitals that cater more to Thai
patients are usually cheaper because Thais are much easier for them to
care for, for obvious reasons. While hospitals catering to Westerners
tend to be more expensive, because Westerners tend to be more demanding,
require English speaking medical care providers, have to have special
food prepared for them, and expect more of the kinds of amenities found
in Western hospitals. Chulalongkorn Hospital, one of the top government
hospitals in Thailand, mentions on their website that Western style
hospital care can be provided as an option for a higher cost.
When buying insurance for a Thai Significant Other, don't just assume
they need the same amount of coverage you do. Talk it over together, and
then have your T.S.O. check with the hospital she or he would prefer to
use. It could save you some money.
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This year I renewed my BUPA package and about a month later I was forced
to take on the social insurance and nominate my two local private
hospitals as my nominated hospitals.
Now if I get sick which insurance do I use first my BUPA or my Social.
If god forbid I fall off the bike - which insurance do I claim on first
for health. My BUPA only covers 50% of the costs if it's a bike accident.
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With Social Security
insurance you can go to a private hospital only if it is a "registered"
participant in the SSO program. You can go to a "non-registered"
hospital only if you require emergency care because of an accident or
serious illness and you have no other choice. But the amount they will
reimburse you is more limited. With BUPA, you can go to a "non-member"
hospital and get reimbursed later.
The maximum Daily Room and Board benefit paid by SSI is only 700 baht a
day. If you want a more expensive room you have to pay the extra
yourself. But they say they will pay 100% of most of your other medical
expenses. They will also pay you half your salary while you are
hospitalized or otherwise disabled. It's not a bad deal. The major
problem they have with the program is that many of the "registered"
hospitals end up losing money on the deal and drop out.
So, what should you do? That depends on you. If the subscriber hospital
near you is satisfactory for your needs, use it and use BUPA to cover
the additional cost of the room. If you are really lucky, the
"subscriber" hospital will also be a BUPA "member" hospital and you
won't have to pay anything out of your pocket. Your other option is to
go to the "non-subscriber" BUPA "member" hospital of your choice and not
use SSI at all for inpatient hospitalization. About your accident
insurance: Insurance like that usually pays on top of any other coverage
you have. It often even allows you to make a profit from your accident.
Check with the company you got the policy from.
By the way, BUPA pays 100% for medical treatment of motorbike accidents,
not 50%.
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As I understand it, THI (Thai Health Insurance) has 2 types of personal
health care coverage, one is called "Simply Healthy" and the other is
called "Wealthy Healthy".
What are the major differences between the two?
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Actually, there are 3 types. The third is
called Maxi Healthy. It’s stand-alone Major Medical insurance.
"Wealthy Healthy" plans
provide basic hospital inpatient coverage topped off with Major Medical
coverage. Each plan pays a fixed amount per day for room, board and
nursing care, depending upon the plan, for up to 60 days. It also pays
100% for miscellaneous hospital expenses, surgery and hospital doctor
visits up to the fixed amounts specified in the plan. When the basic
hospital coverage is used up, the major medical coverage kicks in and
starts paying 90% of all additional covered hospital, surgery and doctor
visit costs up to the major medical maximum. It also kicks in on the
61st day to continue paying the hospital room, board and nursing care
charges.
In addition, Wealthy Healthy are the only plans in their price
range to include emergency evacuation and repatriation coverage when
experiencing a medical emergency while traveling outside of Thailand.
"Simply Healthy" plans are exactly the same as Wealthy Healthy,
but without major medical coverage or emergency evacuation and
repatriation protection.
“Maxi Healthy” is a set of plans providing major medical
protection after payment of a deducible (excess). It also provides for
emergency evacuation and repatriation back to Thailand, like Wealthy
Healthy. In fact, if you bought Maxi Healthy along with Simply Healthy
you would have the exact same coverage as Wealthy Healthy for a little
higher cost.
Both Wealthy Healthy and Simply Healthy have the same outpatient (OPD)
options.
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Which of the two do you think most people should purchase? Why?
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I think that most people
would be wise to go with a "Wealthy Healthy" plan. It may cost a little
more, but the coverage included in a WH plan provides much better
protection for the money.
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What is Major Medical insurance? Who should consider purchasing Major
Medical insurance, and why?
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Major Medical insurance is coverage that pushes medical protection
beyond the limits of basic hospital coverage. It covers the high end
medical expenses that we are least likely to incur, but fear the most.
Major Medical coverage kicks in after a pre-determined deductible
(excess) has
been satisfied and then shares the cost of medical care with the
insured. Traditionally the insurance company pays 80% of the costs with
no built in limits, up to the plan maximum per occurrence. THI’s Major
Medical pays 90% of the medical expenses.
Both THI
and BUPA offer basic hospital plans with Major Medical built in. The
deducible is satisfied by the basic hospital coverage. So, in effect,
there is no deductible. Both BUPA and THI also offer stand-alone Major
Medical policies. Their deductibles can be satisfied by the basic
hospital coverage issued by any insurance company.
Major Medical insurance is good for anyone who doesn't want to spend a
lot of money for medical insurance, but would like to be protected
against being wiped out financially by a costly medical problem. Also,
anyone who has just a basic hospital plan should consider supplementing
it with Major Medical insurance.
Why? Because Major Medical insurance provides high end protection for a
relatively low cost.
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Tony, why do health insurance companies like BUPA and THI, and others,
include outpatient (OPD) for accidents in their basic plan and then
charge another 50% to 80% more to add very limited OPD coverage for
illness? |
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Frivolous and unnecessary
usage of outpatient (OPD) care for illness is much more difficult to
control than inpatient (IPD) care and emergency OPD care for accidents
are; and providing it can be very costly to insurance companies. Both
BUPA and THI, therefore, charge more to include OPD coverage, limit the
number of doctor visits per year, and put a low ceiling on the amount
they will pay per visit.
By contrast, getting admitted to the hospital for IPD care requires the
signature of a qualified physician on a form stating the need. While
qualifying for emergency accident OPD care, of course, requires an
accident to happen and some sort of trauma to the body to occur.
Anyone with insurance that has limited or no OPD coverage for illness
who visits the doctor often with the same complaint, and receives only
temporary relief for that complaint, should request to be admitted to
the hospital for more thorough testing and observation. All it takes is
a 6 hour stay in the hospital to qualify for payment under the IPD
coverage.
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Do any of the medical insurance companies in Thailand cover the cost for
cosmetic surgery? |
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Not normally. As I’ve
said before, insurance companies are not kind hearted philanthropists
when it comes to paying out money for unnecessary medical care. As a
rule, they need doctor certification that there is a serious health
threatening need for the surgery.
• THI excludes: “Any cosmetic surgery except re-constructive surgery
which is needed for medical reason.”
• BUPA goes into much more detail. They exclude: “Any cosmetic or
beautification treatment including lasik surgery, the treatment of acne,
freckles, dandruff, weight reduction and weight gain, hair loss.
Reconstructive surgery is also excluded unless injury is sustained as a
result of an accident and reconstructive surgery is necessary to restore
functionality. Reconstruction of breasts and sexual organs is not
covered.”
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Tony, how good is the medical coverage under the Thai goverment's Social
Security scheme? |
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Except for the small amount SSI pays for the hospital room, the coverage
is very, very good! So much so, that the program has become a victim of
its own success and is losing money. Too many people are taking
advantage of the coverage. Medical facilities and medical support are
being stretched to the limit and more and more private hospitals are
dropping out of the program.
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Why do some ex-pat teachers want out of the program? How can they get
out of paying for it if they don't want it?
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Most likely because the hospital they are now required to use is so
overcrowded and understaffed that they are frightened about having to
receive medical care there.
If they work or teach in a government run facility, their only option is
to quit their job if they don't like paying for the coverage. Otherwise,
they should just consider it a small price to pay for keeping their job.
Then go out and purchase coverage on their own.
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Tony, there seems to be a lot of confusion about the need for Work
Permits when buying medical insurance. Some people say that insurance
buyers have to have a work permit and others, including yourself, say
that they don't. Some go so far as to say that even if the agent does
sell you insurance without asking for a Work Permit, the insurance
company will refuse to pay your claim unless you can show that you have
one. What are the real facts about the need for Work Permits and why
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As
I’ve mentioned before, there are two different types of insurance
companies marketing health insurance in Thailand. One type of company is
a Life Insurance company and the other type is a General
Insurance company.
Life Insurance agents who sell health insurance must sell it as a
rider to a life insurance policy. That may be the reason why they
require a Work Permit. In any case, Life Insurance companies do
require foreigners to have a Work Permit to buy health insurance. They
are stricter in other ways also.
BUPA, Thai Health Insurance, LMG, NZI-IAG and AXA are General
Insurance companies and don’t require Work Permits to purchase
health insurance. Ironically, though, AXA has a new health insurance
policy out now and the brochure says that non-Thais do have to have a
Work Permit. That shocked me! So I asked the lady who is in charge of
that program, “Why?” She explained that a Work Permit is not really
necessary. They just want make sure that the foreign insurance buyer is
actually living in Thailand (???).
Is a Work Permit required when filing a medical insurance claim with a
General Insurance company? Absolutely not! Is one required
when filing a claim with a Life Insurance company? Possibly,
depending on the company.
The confusion over the need for Work Permits exists because one of the
biggest Life Insurance companies in Thailand has a very large
marketing force. Anyone looking for medical insurance will most likely
talk with one their agents and leave their meeting convinced that a Work
Permit is a requirement for purchasing health coverage in Thailand. They
will tell their friends, and the myth goes on.
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Tony, on your website you offer both health insurance coverage sold
through a Life Insurance company and health insurance coverage sold
through a General Insurance company. Why? |
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We
started out selling health insurance through a life insurance company.
It soon became apparent, though, that we faced a lot of product
marketing hurdles trying to sell life insurance to ex-pats. The highest
priority for most ex-pats we talked with was medical insurance. That was
fine. We offered good health insurance coverage as an attachment to a
life insurance policy. But...many of the ex-pats we talked with really
didn’t feel a need for Thai baht life insurance, since they weren't
planning to settle down here. And frankly, I had to agree with them.
When I tried selling to ex-pats outside the school, the Work Permit
requirement became another obstacle for us.
The fact that BUPA, a non-life insurance company, could sell ex-pats the
kind of insurance they wanted, and we couldn’t, really annoyed me. So I
went out looking for another non-life insurance company that wasn't as
well known to ex-pats as BUPA, but had the ability to compete well
against them. Fortunately, I was able to find just the insurance company
I was looking for.
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What are the major differences in the coverage offered through these two
distinctly different type of sources? |
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Life Insurance Medical Coverage
•All medical coverage must be attached to a life insurance policy in the
form of a rider.
•Occupational class determines the premium for most of the riders.
•The hospital inpatient rider provides limited basic hospital coverage,
similar to that provided by most basic hospital inpatient plans.
•The Daily hospital Income rider pays a fixed daily amount for every day
in the hospital. It is unrelated to any hospital expenses.
•The Dread Disease rider pays additional money for being diagnosed with
a "dreaded disease", such as cancer, etc.
•The Accidental Death and Dismemberment rider pays additional money for
accidental death or loss of an arm, leg, finger, etc.
••There are also riders that cover riots, civil commotion and murder.
•Outpatient coverage for illness is not available.
•There is no Major Medical coverage for excess medical costs.
•Health coverage stops when life policy is paid up.
•Foreigners must have a valid Work Permit.
•Premiums can be paid annually, semi-annually, quarterly and monthly.
General (non-life insurance) Medical Coverage
•Sold as stand alone health insurance coverage only.
•Basic inpatient (IP) coverage is somewhat similar to life insurance IP
coverage with Accidental Death and Dismemberment.
•Premium inpatient (IP) coverage includes Major Medical protection that
kicks-in and pays 80% (BUPA) or 90% (THI/AXA) of the excess medical
costs once the basic maximums have been exceeded.
•All plans include Accidental Death and Dismemberment coverage.
•All plans offer Optional outpatient (OP) coverage for illness.
•Daily Hospital Income coverage is available as a separate plan (AXA).
•Dread diseases are covered, but there is no additional benefit (THI/BUPA).
•A separate plan for additional Cancer coverage is available (AXA).
•Work Permits are NOT required.
•Premiums must be paid annually.
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What factors should an insurance buyer consider when choosing which
source to buy through? |
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•Do you want to pay for both your life insurance and your medical
insurance with one premium payment? (Life insurance)
•Do you want to break the payment into monthly or quarterly premiums?
(life insurance)
•Do you want Major Medical coverage to kick-in when the limits of your
basic coverage have been exceeded? (general insurance)
•Do you want outpatient (OP) coverage for illness? (general insurance)
•Do you want Daily Hospital Income coverage included? (life insurance)
•Do you want a separate Daily Hospital Income plan? (general insurance)
•Do you want additional Dread Disease coverage? (life insurance)
•Do you want a separate additional Cancer coverage plan? (general
insurance)
•Do you want higher top-end coverage? (general insurance)
•Do you want more flexibility in your insurance program? (general
insurance)
•You don’t have a work permit? (general insurance)
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I'm on the brink of leaving my job which had free AIA cover for me. I
have a baby, two months old who needs health insurance I reckon. So I
want something for all three of us. Thing is I have no idea what
standard of hospital cover I need, or how much per night I should go
for. I never get sick either so I'm not bothered about outpatient care
for me, but I reckon it sounds like a good idea for the baby, just in
case. How does that work? Hospitals - I don't knw, I've been to several.
Just lately we've been taking the little one to Sukhumvit Hospital near
Ekkamai for her vaccines 'cos it's quite close and they are nice there
and they don't seem to get very busy. Is it any good, relatively I mean?
If so could I use my insurance there? |
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One of the most important things one needs to consider when purchasing
adequate medical coverage in Thailand is what it costs to receive good
quality medical care here.
My Bench Mark in that regard is Bumrungrad International Hospital. There
are other highly rated hospitals in Thailand, but Bumrungrad ranks well
among the best of them. And, very importantly, they seem to be more
reasonably priced. Their charge for a private room is 6,005 baht per day
for Room and Board and Nursing Care. In addition, they also offer a 4
bed room for 2,530 baht per day. and a 2 bed room for 3,330 baht per
day. They are the only "5-Star" hospital in Thailand, I am aware of,
that offers these lower cost room options. The hospital you asked about, Sukumvit Hospital, is a small hospital that caters mainly to Thais. They
seem like a good hospital, though. Their Daily Room and Board Rate is
about 2,700 baht per day.
My own personal opinion is that you should plan on using a hospital near
your home that you feel particularly comfortable with. But, also be
prepared to upgrade to better facilities should the need arise.
Bumrungrad seems to be the most cost-effective option in that regard.
Both are THI member hospitals. All you have to do to be admitted is show
your THI card. But keep in mind that you can also use any hospital or
clinic in Thailand, even a low cost government facility. If you use a
non-member hospital or clinic, though, be prepared to pay the bill
yourself and then get reimbursed by the insurance company later.
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I've looked at the healthy wealthy thing and that looks OK. Do they do a
family package? Is there any difference between the levels, other than
the daily room rate? Would my baby's vaccinations be covered?
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THI offers a 10%
family discount.
Yes, there is very definitely a big difference in overall coverage with
every increase of the Daily Room and Board Rate chosen. For example,
WH2000 provides 500,000 baht of total protection; WH3000 provides
800,000 baht of protection; WH4000 provides 1,000,000 of protection and
WH6000 provides 1,500,000 of protection. One of the features I like
about the WH plans
is that, while they provide basic Inpatient coverage like most hospital
insurance plans, they also include Major Medical coverage to give you
greater high-end protection. No, your baby's routine vaccinations would
not be covered.
The inpatient care and the emergency accident care provided by Sukumvit
Hospital should be quite adequate for most of your child's anticipated
needs. Check with the hospital to find out how much inpatient hospital
care should cost for her.
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Do you know anything about the company that is advertising in the
Bangkok Post about Expat cover at Thailand prices? IAG or something they
are called.
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Yes, I do. NZI-IAG is a Thai based insurance company that is authorized
to sell international insurance at (very high) “Thai prices." The
international health insurance company they represent is InterGlobal
insurance. They have converted the international prices to Thai baht and
lowered the premiums for Thailand. But the premiums are still
considerably higher than those of other local companies. But then, so is
the coverage. For expats willing to pay for it, this type of coverage
satisfies a need that can't be satisfied by most other Thai based
companies.
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What about people coming to live in Thailand who want to be covered by
health insurance while they are here. What is the best, most
cost-effective way for them to do this? Should they purchase travel
insurance in their own country first and then purchase the lower cost
local coverage after they get here? |
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If
what they are concerned about is having good quality medical coverage
while they are living in Thailand, there is no reason for them to
purchase travel insurance before coming here. The simplest, most
cost-effective way for them to provide the coverage they need is to
purchase the insurance in Thailand before they get here. Then, they
can have their coverage start on the day they are scheduled to arrive
here.
We have assisted many ex-pats in this regard. It is a very simple
process that can be handled by e-mail or by airmail. Payment can be made
by credit card. Those wanting this coverage should allow about a month
for processing, but we can get the coverage for them almost instantly,
if necessary, if they e-mail their application. In addition to
completing and signing a very simple health insurance application, a
photocopy of the I.D. portion of their passport is also required.
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Tony, if someone has a serious medical problem and is receiving
treatment for it, can that person buy medical insurance? If so, will the
insurance company cover the treatment costs? |
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Yes, normally they can. But, the condition they are being treated for
won't be covered. This is true with any private insurance company
anywhere in the world.
A "pre-existing condition" that requires on-going treatment is a
"guaranteed expense" to an insurance company. The only way they could
afford to cover "guaranteed expenses" is by passing the cost on to the
rest of their insureds in the form of higher premiums. When an insurance
company is forced to do this, its insurance plans become less
competitively priced against those of its competition to such a degree
that only "high risk" insureds are willing to pay the premiums.
Insurance plans that do cover pre-existing conditions are normally
government sponsored social-medicine schemes. In America, where
"socialized-medicine" is a bad word, they have HIPPA and COBRA to
provide coverage to people with health problems who can't get coverage
elsewhere. Coverage under COBRA, though, is extremely costly. Some large
corporations also provide employees with "guaranteed acceptance" group
insurance coverage that doesn't exclude pre-existing conditions of any
sort. The cost provides a large tax write-off for the company.
What does an insurance company do about pre-existing conditions the
insured didn't tell them about, or the insured actually didn't know
about, but, the company discovers after the policy gets issued?
a) If the insured lied, and the company learns that the insured lied,
the coverage will be canceled and all claims will be refused - including
even the legitimate claims.
b) If the insured seeks treatment for a pre-existing condition the
insured was most likely unaware of, the condition wont be covered, but
the coverage will continue.
That said, the good news is that the insurance companies are faced
with a time-limit for finding and excluding pre-existing conditions that
they haven't already found and excluded.
Insurance companies have up to 24 months to find and exclude any
pre-existing conditions you might have. Any pre-existing conditions that
haven’t been found and excluded within the first 24 months the policy
has been in force can no longer be excluded from coverage.
One of the biggest fears insurance companies have to face with each
insurance application is that the applicant is taking out the insurance
policy to cover a major medical expense that the applicant is expecting
to incur soon and wants pass the expense on to the insurance company.
The time exclusion is intended to make that less likely to happen.
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Tony, some reasonably healthy people are being rejected for health
insurance coverage strictly because of their age. One group insurer
recently refused to cover a teacher because she was age 58. Some
insurance companies won't sell individual health insurance coverage to
people over the age of 60. What other options are there for these
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If
the person is 60 or younger, BUPA is still an option. They will
guarantee to renew the applicant for life (60 may soon be reduced to age
56, though). Applicants who enroll between ages 61 and 64 will be
renewed to age 70.
Beyond that, we offer 4 choices, Premier International Healthcare, NZI
InterGlobal, LMG Mega Series and LMG Comprehensive. Anyone who is
interested can email me with their age and telephone number and I will
send them a spreadsheet showing their options and the cost for their
age.
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Some teachers complain that their employer provided group coverage is
quite small and inadequate. Others complain that their employer refuses
to provide them with any medical coverage whatsoever. What options do
these teachers have, other than going out and purchasing their own
personal medical coverage? Is there any way that E-InsureThailand can
help them get good group insurance coverage?
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E-InsureThailand currently represents 5 well respected local insurers
who offer group medical insurance coverage. In terms of price, product,
flexibility and service, we should be able to compete quite well in
satisfying the group insurance needs of any employer.
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So
what can employees do to get their employer to provide better group
coverage?
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1.
They can ask their employer for permission to invite E-InsureThailand in
to bid on the group insurance needs of the company or
school. If the employer agrees to meet with me, the employee can then
call or e-mail me and fill me in on anything I need to know before
contacting the employer.
2. If the employees are not comfortable approaching the employer about
group coverage, they can just contact me and give me all of the
information I need to know to approach the employer.
If the employer is willing to listen, but unwilling to pay more to
upgrade the coverage, which will most likely be the case, we will work
out ways to improve the coverage without increasing the employer’s cost.
If the employer refuses to upgrade the group coverage, then employees
can supplement that coverage with a low cost Major Medical policy
available from E-InsureThailand. This coverage would take over when the
basic benefits were used up and would pay 90% of the additional costs up
to a maximum of 1,500,000 baht.
What can the employees do if the employer just absolutely refuses to
provide any type of group medical insurance coverage? They can
provide it themselves, and not get the employer involved. But, there
must be at least 5 or more employees willing to participate. And, one of
the group members must be willing to assume the role of “Administrator”,
with assistance from E-InsureThailand. The only disadvantage to this is
that they would have to pay for their coverage themselves, without
employer assistance, and their premium would have to be paid annually.
The advantage would be that group coverage would still be cheaper than
personal coverage. Since the premium is determined by group size, the
bigger the group the lower the cost. Family members can be included in
the group to increase the size and lower the cost per group member. And,
since the group has no ties with any employer, group members can change
jobs and still keep their coverage, as long they keep paying the annual
premium.
We can also provide coverage like this for established clubs and
associations. Information on this can be found on our website.
www.e-insurethailand.com
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Are there any common health problems that could cause someone to be
rejected completely for medical insurance?
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A few
insurance companies now refuse to issue insurance policies to
applicants with Diabetes.
I have “inherited” type-2 diabetes, myself, and have coverage through
one of the companies that now refuses to issue a policy to diabetics.
They explained that this change in policy came about because of too many
problems with diabetics who didn't understand what the the diabetes
exclusion entailed when they went into the hospital for treatment. I
checked with another health insurer and they told me that they had had
the same problem also. Frankly, I didn't understand how broad the
exclusion was either. I thought that I was covered for strokes and heart
disease, at least.
After researching the matter, I now understand why insurance companies
are having this problem. Diabetes is a disease of the blood.
Everywhere the blood flows is a candidate for exclusion from coverage
for treatment.
People with diabetes are at greater risk for problems that involve
damage to small blood vessels and nerves due to high levels of glucose
in the blood. They are also at a greater risk of developing hardening of
large arteries (atherosclerosis) that can result in a heart attack,
stroke, and poor blood flow to the legs. Damage to small blood vessels
can affect the eyes, kidneys, and nerves. Damage to eyes, specifically
the retina, is called diabetic retinopathy and is the leading cause of
blindness. Damage to the kidneys can lead to kidney failure and the need
for dialysis and is called diabetic nephropathy. Damage to the nerves
that supply the legs and arms and gastrointestinal tract is called
neuropathy. Some people with diabetes that develop peripheral neuropathy
(damage to the nerves in the legs) and have poor blood flow to the legs
will eventually need an amputation. Impotence and depression can also
result from diabetes. (Now, I am depressed).
The good news for type 2 diabetics is that these problems can be
avoided by proper diet and exercise. But, many sufferers lack the
proper determination and commitment to do that. And there is no way for
insurance companies to know which of us have it and which of us don’t,
without regular testing and follow up. To try to distinguish on a
regular basis between those that do and those that don’t would require
constant monitoring by the insurance company. Which would cost them
money for use of time and resources. That cost would then be passed to
policy holders in terms of higher premiums.
Instead, insurance companies opt for the easy way out either by
accepting the applicant's money and excluding the condition, or, by
rejecting the applicant altogether and thus avoiding conflict in the
future.
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Tony, what can expats living in neighboring countries, such as Lao or
Cambodia, do about health insurance? |
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We have at least 3 health insurance
companies we can place them with. They should contact me. |
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