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Norbert Demanuele
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
I moved back to the good ol’ USA back in January 2007.
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
Roughly 2 years.
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
I thought Thailand was taking a turn for the worst! With the country recovering from the coup around this time, the southern violence worsening, the economy taking a plunge, and foreign teacher regulations on the rise convinced me it was time to move on. Not to mention I took some shrapnel in my arm in the September 06 bombing in Hat Yai in the hands of the insurgency!
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
None, aside from the money. In my opinion the USA is full of materialism and consumerism and lacks culture compared to the land of smiles! I recently completed my contract with a company I work with and am now seriously considering coming back possibly to Thailand or greater SE Asia
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
Everything. The simple things are what I miss most! For example, getting a nice Thai meal of som tom, gai, and kow niaw at a mom and pop shop. Additionally, I really miss the sense of community, friendliness of locals, the slow pace of life, the food, hanging out with locals. the list goes on and on…..
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
Of course I would suggest Thailand to a new teacher. It is a great country despite the red tape and the incompetence and miscommunication that is experienced at some of the schools. The new regulations may pose as an annoyance but I feel this will eventually subside – This is Thailand after all! All this aside, the pros far outweigh the cons. The lifestyle in Thailand is far superior to that of any Asian country and Thais are among the most hospitable people I have met in all of Asia!
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
Of course, there is always a place in my heart for Thailand! (seriously! – sorry for sounding sappy! –lol). I would love to settle down in Thailand and open a Guesthouse /business or even an NGO.
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
For you newbies out there, and I know there are many of you! leave your western mentality at home when you come here. Relax, and acclimatize to the culture here and don’t expect locals to adjust to you. Instead, adjust and improvise to how things are done here. More importantly, do not take everything too seriously – Enjoy it and have a laugh!
Steve Forrester
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
I went from Thailand to Vietnam, and I should add I'm glad I did.
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
I spent about 5 miserable years working at supposedly the best uni in Thailand, but nothing could be further from the truth. 8 teachers left in one semester. The uni thinks they can rely on their name to hire English teachers, but they can't. As a result, they have advertised for teachers for over one year without filling vacancies. The international affairs dept. doesn't know how to recruit teachers. I walked off a few other jobs and I have walked out of interviews because of the unprofessionalism displayed by potential Thai employers. (Talking on the their cell phones during the interview, etc.)
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
My main reason for leaving was the overall disappointment with the culture. This culture is about superficiality, nothing more. Even though the culture has some beautiful aspects to it, it's an overall disappointment. I've seen foreigners treated very badly without any recourse. Vietnam is much more stable, the people are much friendlier than Thais and the students try harder. If Thailand doesn't clean up it's image, Vietnam will pass them by. Also, I was tired of students coming to me crying, feeling that they were stupid because their grades were manipulated by the Thai staff to fit the mold and image of the university. Foreign teachers are kept out of the grading process for that reason. I once sat in a meeting where a Thai teacher tried to justify that in a six-section class why section 1 should have the highest scores and section 6 should have the lowest scores. The reason was because section 1 is number one
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
The advantages are many. The overall atmosphere is better. The pay is better and they actually care about the input from foreign teachers and they have gone as far to say they want to be criticized so that they can make improvements. This is not a superficial society.
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
The only thing I miss about Thailand is that the facilities are a little bit better. I didn't thrive on the nightlife, so that never mattered to me. I would never teach in Thailand again. I would never work for a Thai in a teaching capacity. Everything goes in one ear and out the other. They have a major inferiority complex which interferes with their professional judgement.
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
As a starting point, Thailand is a good place for teacher training and for a first time job. However, it's not the best place to teach. If your heart is truly set on teaching, Thailand is not the place to be. You will like it at first, then you see the way things really are after a while, then you get frustrated, then you find another job and see that it is the same there, then you know it's time to get out.
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
In April 2007, for the last time, only as a tourist. I do have some close Thai and foreign friends. My foreign friends are lucky that they are retired and don't have to work. Even they say if they had to work in Thailand, they would leave.
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
I would recommend that if you teach in Thailand that you keep to yourself in the workplace. Thais will look for ammunition to use against you. Foreigners will do the same in the hopes that they can get ahead by collaborating with the Thais. It's a shame to see foreigners reduce themselves to acting like Thais, but they need job security I guess because they can't do anything else in their lives. I've heard so much juvenile, immature gossip by Thai women in their 40's and 50's who supposedly have PhDs. They believe that they will get promoted or get a title, but in the end, the Thais don't care about them either. The Thai government says that Thai government schools have to employ so many foreigners. Believe me when I say that if it the Thai staff could have their way, they wouldn't have any foreigners working at their schools. This should give some idea of what they really think of foreign teachers.
Ajarn Robert
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
I moved to teach in South Korea in April/07 to April/08. Currently back in Thailand thinking of where to go next for a year - China, Japan or God forbid Thailand?
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
I have taught in Thailand since 1999. One year in Phetchaburi, at an infamous private language school chain, and 6 years at the English Programme in Chumphon (actually a fairly normal school by Thai standards)
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
There is never one main reason in Thailand. Let me see - Administrative incompetence, degrading salaries, an educational system lead by idiots that haven't the slightest idea what education is, an immigration department that assumes everyone is a Burmese drug smuggler, the chicken and the egg quandary rules between the work permit office and the immigration department, schools that are more into the money making aspects of an English programme than the academic side, having to do entrance level tests, then the school letting any idiot student in that has failed the entry level test just because Daddy's a policeman, every Thai teacher agreeing with your criticisms but non of the spineless buggers ever doing anything about it, having to wai people that wouldn't be hired to bag shit in any other country, having M 1 students that could do a better job of running the Ministry of Education or Immigration than any Thai minister could, etc, etc
If you have taught in Thailand for more than a week, you know bloody well why people leave this country.
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
In Korea, they do know what education is, and they don't expect you to be the world's authority on the English language either. They do discipline children, as their parents aren't sending bribe money to the director to keep them in school, students are eager to learn English as they can see that it is useful to have. I had primary students and was able to have a conversation with grade three students, because they have shut up in class and listened and have actually learned something.
Being in a school that actually has supplies that aren't ordered as you need them. A supply room stocked with such extraordinary things such as staples, paper, pens, markers, notebooks, you know, school supplies. Printers, computers and photocopiers that all work. And students that work!
That was just from the school side, now what about getting looked after? - mainly a salary that was real, free apartment, flights, pension plan, medical and other BENEFITS!! A one stop immigration work permit office that took 5 minutes and that's it, you are done for a year and at a far cheaper cost than Thailand. A tax rate that is less than Thailand's (tax-free if you are not Canadian)a cost of living that beats Thailand (remember you don't pay rent), electricity was cheaper than Thailand, clothing is less than Thailand, foreign food was a lot less than Thailand. Did I mention not only cheaper but you are making 3 to 4 times a Thai salary.
The over-all attitude of the Education systems are: it is an honour to have you here, or the Thai it is an honour to be here BS.
In short there aren't any advantages in Thai schools, except more holidays, but considering what they pay you, you should have 2/3rds of the year off.
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
I am back in Thailand, because I live here, married to a Thai and most likely will die here, but work here? - maybe never again.
When I was in Korea I didn't miss anything about Thailand, except maybe the beach in the winter months, but I was back in Thailand 4 times during the year. Why? because I could afford to do it. A return flight is less than half a month's salary. Try flying anywhere on a Thai monthly wage.
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
Thailand doesn't deserve to have anyone work here with their attitude but some, and I must stress some of the Thai students do. The advice would have to be Korea hands down. There is no reason whatsoever to work in Thailand really. If you are going to get your hands-on working experience you may as well get paid for it. And have the opportunity to learn how to teach, instead of just strategies of how not to kill your lazy ass Thai students or their corrupt director.
Work in Korea or elsewhere and make enough money to come and enjoy Thailand, which everyone can as long as you don't work in a school here. If it isn't money you are after, then go to some poorer country in Africa. They might appreciate you more anyway.
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
I plan on living in Thailand for the rest of my life, (unless immigration reads this and then I'll be deported)
I do enjoy Thailand, its people, weather, and I understand the culture. Will I ever teach here again? Most likely. There are enough good Thai students that are worth saving I know. I have had a lot of very good students. Will I ever have any respect for Thai education? - most likely never, because it won't change in my lifetime. It's like if you hate fast food, you can't say that you'll never eat at McDonald's. You'd prefer not to, but if you're hungry, you're hungry.
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
No. I've said enough.
King Willy
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
I moved to Jakarta, Indonesia. Last July.
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
I worked at the one international school in Bangkok for 5 years
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
Job opportunity, also somebody had quipped to me that I would never be able to leave Thailand, it sort of felt a little bit true, I was getting bored in my job so made the plunge to go elsewhere.
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
It’s all sort of six to one half a dozen to the other. I’m on a lot less pay, but have a lot more responsibility in the school that I’m working in. I’m certainly enjoying the challenge.
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
People, food, availability of food, Bangkok is far easier to get around than Jakarta, has a far more 1st world cosmopolitan feel about the place, availability of goods and ease of getting things done.
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
The biggest factor has to be weigh up each job possibility or offer on its own merits, it’s no good having a crappy job in a good place.
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
Holidays? Have been back 2 or 3 times already. Working? No firm plans, however, it is a strong possibility in the future, just depends on if the right job comes up at the right time or not, however, with a Thai wife, Thailand will never be far away.
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
No
Mark McTaggart
Q1. Where did you move to and when?
I moved from Nakon Sawan to Bulgaria, Varna. This was in Sept 2002.
Q2. How long did you work in Thailand?
I worked in Thailand for about a year. I worked in 2 different schools. One in Rayong and one in Nakon Sawan.
Q3. What was your main reason for moving?
The main reason was to get a better job with more prospects. I applied for the British Council and was offered Bulgaria! I would have loved to have found a well paid, enjoyable job in Thailand, but didn't want to live in a busy city, especially Bangkok.
Q4. What are the advantages of working where you are now compared to Thailand?
One of the differences is that I blend in more so I don't have everyone staring at me all the time. Also, it's much closer to home, so trips back are not such a mission. Also, learning to read and write in Thai was very difficult for me. I have found Bulgarian easier to learn as many of the words come from Latin.
Q5. What do you miss about life in Thailand?
I miss the people. Thai people are so friendly and always smiling. I also miss the food. I adore Thai food and often try to cook it myself...still it's not the same.
Q6. Would you advise a new teacher to seek work in Thailand or where you are now?
Difficult question. Both Thailand and Bulgaria have a lot to offer. I think that Thailand has more to offer culturally, especially as its so different to European culture. However, Bulgaria is developing fast and it's good to come and see it before it completely changes.
Q7. Any plans to return to Thailand one day?
Yes! I love Thailand. I have been back several times for holidays and will come again in March 2007. I'd love to set up an English Academy in Thailand and this is a future ambition of mine.
Q8. Anything else you'd like to add?
Teaching started off as just something fun to do and a way to stay in Thailand. I only planned to do it for a year then go back to London. However, I realised that I wanted to stay in teaching and by making it a career, I could work wherever I wanted and with experience also earn a decent salary. My own school, English Academy Varna, is also doing very well at the moment which is very satisfying.
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